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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:21 pm 
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Being you're in Colorado I would consider how often you will be camping in adverse conditions. I don't mean snow and ice, but do you expect it might rain? If you expect moisture I would buy a synthetic bag. They won't pack down as much as down but they will stay warmer when wet. If you won't ever camp when you'll expect any rain, down provides more warmth for its weight and size.

I would pack the sleeping bag in a separate dry bag. Then, the rest of the gear can go in a another dry bag. If you're not used to camping, remember they call them "stuff" sacks for a reason. You don't need to roll your sleeping bag up or your tent, etc. Just stuff them in the bag. That being said, a motorcycle allows you a little more room that backpacking, so you may even consider a traditional rectangle (not mummy) bag if you move around a lot when you sleep. Mummys can be claustrophobic if you're not used to them.

I do carry my cooking stuff in a separate bag, one that I can hang (I live/camp in bear country). The separate bag can go in the same bag as other stuff, but it has to be able to be separated at night.

Sleeping pads are very specific to the person. Some people only need not feel the poking rocks underneath to have a great night sleep. Some people need a six inch air mattress to even get a couple of z's. Pads don't just provide "cushion" though, they provide insulation. You'll have a cold night without one because the ground "sucks" your warmth, even with a good sleeping bag. So, what am I rambling about? Get a nice Thermarest or an Exped mat. I've used both and they both have their merits. A down filled Exped is hard to beat for both comfort and insulation, but they can be bulky depending on which one you get. Thermarest can be bulky too, but they are different in shape. So, go to a store that sells both and see which matches your intended use (packing size) and check the specs online.

It is not weird in any way to go to an outdoor store and have a sales associate pull the stuff off the shelf and set it up for you. You should be able to get in the sleeping bag (to see how it fits your body shape) or practice inflating the sleeping pad so you see how it works.

Or, I guess I can sum it up this way, buy a Thermarest Trail Pro http://www.cascadedesigns.com/Therm-A-R ... ro/product
and then a couple/three SealLine dry bags http://www.cascadedesigns.com/sealline/ ... ag/product
and a Mountain Hardware Lamina bag (there are several).

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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:39 pm 
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viking752 wrote:
I am new to the camping from the bike and I have a small Coleman tent on the way. My question is about the sleeping bags, pads etc. i have not seen a good pic of a bike loaded down with all of this gear, every sleeping bag I have looked at is rather bulky. How do you guys deal with this?


It's a matter of trial and error, my friend. Have to figure out what works best for you.
My first go at solo camping was a logistical disaster as far as loading the bike:
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In the pic, there is a Coleman Sundome 2 person tent, large Coleman White Water cool weather scoop sleeping bag, Alpine inflatable sleeping pad, 10x10 heavy duty tarp, and folding chair. The soft panniers held clothes, food and cooking gear, first aid kit, and a pair of shoes. I have since removed the top case, so I am hoping that will help this year.

Also, I'm taking a page out of DRV's handbook. I bought one of these for summer camping:
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sky-Outdoor-Mosquito-Traveler/dp/B00F5Y2TUK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463328875&sr=8-1&keywords=blue+sky+hammock

And this to go with it if it rains. Bonus: this will double as a thermal blanket.
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Survival-Technologies-BASE-Orange/dp/B00FB7XYXM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463329289&sr=8-1&keywords=hex+tarp

All packed up. Tree straps are in with the tarp as well as 50' of generic 550 paracord. I save the 750 for actual emergencies.
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My reasoning for scaling down like this was that I will always over pack when it comes to synthetic thermal clothing.
Whats another layer or two in the dry bag compared to an actual sleeping bag?

Camping gear is a very personal thing, IMHO.

Edit: Going to give this a try this year as well as far as packing my sleeping bag and clothes.
http://smile.amazon.com/Home-Complete-Space-Saver-Storage-Bundle/dp/B012KI8M22/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463342747&sr=8-2&keywords=vacuum+packer#customerReviews

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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:45 pm 
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Ace! wrote:
Sleeping pads are very specific to the person. Some people only need not feel the poking rocks underneath to have a great night sleep. Some people need a six inch air mattress to even get a couple of z's. Pads don't just provide "cushion" though, they provide insulation. You'll have a cold night without one because the ground "sucks" your warmth, even with a good sleeping bag. So, what am I rambling about? Get a nice Thermarest or an Exped mat. I've used both and they both have their merits. A down filled Exped is hard to beat for both comfort and insulation, but they can be bulky depending on which one you get. Thermarest can be bulky too, but they are different in shape. So, go to a store that sells both and see which matches your intended use (packing size) and check the specs online.


Backpacker's secret:
Spread the dry clothes you'll be wearing the following day inside the sleeping bag underneath you. They provide an additional layer of insulation as well as warm them up so you don't feel like getting back into the bag after getting dressed in the morning.

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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:32 pm 
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??????

Good information, but unknown how it relates to the quoted post. Quoting for quoting sake.

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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:13 pm 
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Free alternative to sleeping pads? They are still a modern invention to me.
Never needed one growing up.

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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 5:54 pm 
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Look it - here's my take on every thing that's been said (including my own previous post) - Look at what you what the sleeping to do for you. Down vs synthetic, crompressablity vs bulk. No item of any insulational value should be stored compressed. For the time it will be compressed during travel is insignificant. I've chosen my sleeping bag based on the temperature I feel will be adequate for spring through fall - my days of extreme mountaineering are over. I have a motorcycle capable of carrying 200 lbs+ of gear, gas, oil plus myself. A two-man tent, yeah, sure, why not; I've done the ultra-lite route, but I'm not packing the weight any more. A synthetic sleeping bag - yeah - I'm going that route because it makes sense at this point in my life. I have never used a dry bag for backpacking, canoeing or whatever, trash bags have always kept my gear dry.

I think we are in a position where we have too many enticing choices. We need to step back and remember what we did in the Boy Scouts and not pretend we're on an expedition to Katmandu!


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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 7:05 pm 
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Sleeping pads offer a much better R-value than compressed cotton clothing. Dry bags (SealLine for example) are much more rugged than trash bags, and are much easier to use in a wet environment, providing better water resistance/proofness than trash bags. The small investment of a dedicated dry bag is convenient while offering years and years of use.

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 Post subject: Re: sleeping bags etc.
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 10:27 pm 
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Dreaded Rebel wrote:
I think we are in a position where we have too many enticing choices.
That`s a reminder I always believe but never hear quite enough to overturn the opposition. Thanks for today`s KISS prayer.


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