Bumping this old thread. Anyone got their hands on the FFRC plex valves yet? Very interested.
Said i would report back, i thought i did here, as well as advrider.
So here's a quick cut and paste from there..
And some. Its a long post..
I know what it's like when your searching for info on a new product - hope this helps.
Paste from advrider...
I said I'd report back with how the front and rear suspension FFRC did after a decent ride.
told them i wanted a jack of all trades if possible, and when i carry a load, i carry a BIG load.
i'd done 30,000 on all stock.
headed out today.
sat phone, plb, first aid, plenty of water, tools and tubes etc.
all the good stuff for a solo ride.
but didn't get as far as I wanted,
I'll get to that..
this is a longish report, but a few were interested, so...
i'm hopeless at describing suspension, so I'll describe what I felt,
smarter folk will know what it means and if it's good or bad.
on the black top and a spirited twisty ride to the dirt :
closest way to describe small bumps now is a quicker / firmer feeling, that i used to waffle over before.
it used to be a spongey, soft, floaty feeling, now it's a slightly firmer b'dump - done.
it seems dealt with instantly, not a slow bouncy float.
bigger bumps or pot holes are way smoother,
it doesn't seem to track to road conditions, repairs, road patches, holes etc like previously.
it just seems to deal with stuff quicker if that makes sense.
i did hit a random, large speed bump at a fair speed, when I wasn't paying attention.
(one of those lonely single speed bumps, at the start of a national park before the dirt begins)
saw it at the last moment, forced my eyes wide open, gave it the gas and hoped for the best.
with my previous stock suspension, it could have ended badly with a head shake sending me anywhere.
it just felt like i hit a little bump and it tracked straight. that was a "oh - wow" moment
in the dirt.
i went looking for rough, bumpy, rutted, loose, jagged etc, most conditions except sand or mud.
things just seem to be dealt with quicker, but felt softer.??
little bumps i did not notice at all.
bigger bumps, holes, loose rocks or ruts etc just seemed smaller than the impact i was used to.
it didn't seem to get wobbly or out of shape any where near as much as the stock set up.
if it was a road bike i'd say it felt like a steering dampener had been thrown on.
the bike seems lighter if that makes sense, but i still felt it's weight momentum.
odd thing was i seemed to sit more than i used to.??
(was a familiar ride, so that surprised me)
i also seem to have less wheel spin over ruff, bumpy stuff, especially when gassing it.
the front seems slower to react to head shakes from rough conditions.
the rear brake seems to work a little better as well.??
Seemed to use it a touch more today, but i still find it a bit like a switch.
Much prefer the feel of the front brake.
perhaps i was carrying more speed than i realised, for a lot of the ride.
i'm hoping the 320 front disc on its way, will add more brakes to the front,
and perhaps a 606 rear will help pull me up better than the e07 i have atm.
like i said i got no idea what is an indication of whats good or bad,
just described what i found.
short story - i like it way more than stock.
time will tell.
i did realise the thing i need most now is good rider training.
(should have done this way before any DR mods)
the suspension fix still didn't cure my fear of downhill, sharp off camber turns, on thick soft slippery dirt and gravel.
lots to learn.
and why did the ride get cut short and no pics..??
pulled over for a drink after lunch and noticed my front spare inflated in my box.
bugger, it had rubbed a hole in the fold against the inside of the box.
it was a pretty bumpy ride though, lesson learned - look after tubes better in rough conditions.
i took it as a sign to head home. A front flat would have ruined the day.
Cut and paste done.
Here's more observations since then.
I've done a fair bit more riding since then with it and all good.
I have since added a 320 front.
That combined with a better set up front end, has settled the bike way more under braking.
I feel more confident travelling at higher speeds and coming into corners hot.
I know this will bite me in the ass big time in the dirt sooner or later though if i'm not careful.
It can be ridden so much quicker in the ruff stuff now, but my skill set is still the same...
I also tried it since with my big safari tank, the above was with the acerbis, and all good.
I'm still crap at descibing suspension.
Offroad its great. Set up feels to me like it is spot on.
Last off road ride i asked myself what would i want it to do better.
Nothing, i need better skills and a full knobby rear to judge any further.
Generally i like to fiddle and tweak everything until its what i like, or as close as i can get.
But now i just enjoy the ride.
On the black top, as i tried to describe above, i can just feel the tiny stuff on the surface like minute undulations and things i literally cant see at all, on stuff that looks like a smooth surface.
Its hard to describe, it's like the invisible stuff is not big enough to get the suspension to start to compress, I'm feeling stuff i really can't see at speed.
It's not harsh by any means, exact road condition feedback is a good way to desribe it.
The stock suspension used to give no feedback at all in these conditions - was more wobble, blubber, sponge, float..
But as soon as something is big enough that i can actually see it, like a join in the tar surface, or a small bump, crease or pothole, it does its job and its nice and smooth, even in the corners.
And any big potholes, road repairs etc it just handles it and moves on.
I can move this thing a lot quicker on the twisty black top now.
Where i could used to feel the front start to slide, it doesn't happen now.
I can ride to the speed i like, not the what the old suspension liked.
When they asked all the questions setting it up for me, ( riding conditions, style, my skill level, what i wanted it to do ) i said if your unsure of what i mean, just err on the side of stiffer.
On a road bike, i know i like a set up on the stiff side, on a dirt bike if i'm honest i'm not 100% sure how to desribe what i like.
When i push hard, it's hard to tell if it's me or the bike at fault - probably me.
And i like to have a go at anything except soft sand.
At the moment my DR seems to be saying "c'mon, lift your game..!!"
All i know is whatever i have now, i like and hopefully as i improve, i wont be thrown around as much as i used to, especially with a camping load,
And i will be able to travel quicker if i want to and get less tired.
Thus ends the longest post in drriders history.
But if i haven't covered something just ask..
It's been hot today, i've had a few..